OOC Thread The 2nd

[newblood]

Abroad, he didnt mean it that way, he meant continue with our crew escaping, now i take full resposibility for my actions, demote me, deny me another ship, i dont care, i deserve it all, thanks for making that clear to me abroad, thanks very much.

[Jakob]

Can we all please calm down? Abroad, Newblood is a vet of the site no matter what his rank, if he wants to get a large amount of survivors out so be it.
Newblood Abroad is trying to stay canon, with out sticking to the canon, it will be chaos.

[abroad]

Jakob, it doesn't work like that, we do not give breaks based on veterancy, that breeds a culture of elitism which is alien to the one wish to generate.

The thing we are saying cannot continue here is suggesting that a large number of people escaped your ship, didn't happen, and I'm not letting you doom other characters by incisting it did, comprehend?

[serenissima]

Any of the characters on the UNSCS Fenix who have a name already - including NPCs - can survive. And hell, even escape pods had time to get out, so the actual number of crew survivors might be pretty good, once the dust has settled.

But you've got a couple of Longswords and Shortswords and a few Pelicans - the tiny number that launched before the destruction and the few that were in the air delivering troops to the ground already. Not a 'huge swarm'.

Abroad was acting under my direction, given the enormous screwup that the Fenix made. It's only a realistic consequence, and as has been noted, no player characters have been killed (which you should be thankful for). I generally make it a policy not to kill people's player characters or named NPCs unilaterally... but Saber, your disrespect and bullshit is making me consider making you a specific exception. Don't give me reason to continue that line of thought.

Any 'blame' for the destruction of the Fenix rests with me, as it was my decision as a consequence for the colossal fuckup that was made in-character by that vessel. At the same time, arguing with moderators is something that will not end well for anyone, whether they were under my direct orders at the time or not. They have their positions for a reason, and you are to respect them and do what they ask unless they are contradicted by someone higher up in the staff than themselves (i.e myself, Prez or Commando). Don't argue with them, because it makes for very annoyed admins when they are forced to step in directly in situations like these.

I'm glad that Newblood sees this in a more reasonable light. It isn't the end of his character, or anyone's. It's a consequence and will allow the character(s) to develop further. He or his character made a mistake, things happened because of it - in fact, the very fact that Covenant reinforcements showed up at all happened because of it. Now it can be dealt with, but at least you understand that your character isn't going to come out of a mistake smelling of victory and roses, Newblood, and I applaud you for that.

I'm kind of pissed off that I had to be dragged off my holiday in Hampshire and into a wireless internet location to deal with this crap after checking my emails on my phone.

Anyway. From now on, you're going to post according to realism and what has been decided - and as I said, any player character or named NPC can automatically survive in this specific instance if you choose. If you continue this 'huge swarm' bullshit, then I and the other moderators will start editing posts. Or possibly just blowing you up, if you continue fucking about and ignoring what the moderators running this plot have told you is the case, and you piss somebody off enough. I might not approve of that, but it's entirely possible that I'd just... look the other way in that instance.

So, in short, just get on with it and stop arguing. Consider this post a last chance before I actually take any punitive measures - and what nonsense you've had to get up to before you've managed to divert me from my usual policy of lenience.

[serenissima]

And as a further note to Newblood specifically: Hopefully both your character and you as a player will have learned from the experience.

You can give your own character consequences for the mistake, out of your own choice, though I can give some suggestions if you want. You can get another ship, though you'd have to apply for one, and maybe in future Captain(?) Perion will be more cautious in command.

Overall, it should be a good RP opportunity for you - lots of interesting things you can write about, such as a court-martial proceeding, the psychological effects that such a mistake would have on the man and knowing his responsibility for the deaths of many (even outside his own crew, given that the Fenix was responsible for the Covenant even knowing about the UNSC operation in the system), and so on.

There will be a punishment in-character, as you choose, though that will obviously have to stay within realistic bounds - Perion isn't going to get away with tea and medals for his screweup. OOCly, the destruction of the ship (and, note, not the player characters or their known NPCs) isn't a punishment - it's a consequence, and an opportunity for you to do some interesting development for your character. You're not blocked from RPing about that, or applying for another ship OOCly while the in-character court martial goes on.

And for everyone - please remember that example. The main RP is not a place for masturbatory fantasies of invulnerable heroism - not accusing anyone specific of doing that, mind. That kind of thing can be left to the Halo games themselves.

If you mess up in-character, there'll be consequences for it, within the bounds of realism. Nobody is invincible, and while you do make your own story, it has to be a realistic one, and fit with the overall plot of the site's mission - otherwise we just have a bunch of separate people going around, and nothing really happening, and might as well all be writing novels about our own characters.

This isn't to say that heroism isn't permitted, of course... but when you screw up on this magnitude in-character, you can't expect to get away with no consequences, especially when everyone else in the entire mission is suffering consequences too for what you did.

[newblood]

Thank you seren, I will begin making up a new character, though a ship will be out of the question being the offspring would not be able to be of sufficient age for such a thing, the dad is already touching the "Captain age" boundaries, so yeah, court martial seems most likely for this situation so im going to start thinking of that, now, in the RP we really didnt specify how many pods survived, around 2-3 longswords and 2 shortswords survived, so the pods specific number will be placed in my next post, say around 10 pods is fair?

[serenissima]

Well, as I said - being designed as escape pods - I imagine that there's a lot of those, probably at least half of the crew - at least those who weren't killed in the initial attack. It's the other ships that are the problem: unlike escape pods, designed for this purpose, it's really difficult to launch anything else that rapidly, especially in a ship which isn't even a carrier. I'd say the maximum number of fighters that got out is four in total, with the number of surviving Pelicans being perhaps another two plus whichever ones were already out at the planet delivering troops (and not included in that group).

You don't need to make a new character unless you want to; Perion - given human lifespan is vastly longer in this setting due to the advance of medical science - is still young. He might be court martialled and demoted to Commander or even lower, and most likely stripped of any decorations if they were particularly harsh in that regard, but there'd still be a chance to regain a command at some point, albeit probably of a smaller vessel like a frigate or even a corvette. In a sense I think it's better to use this as an opportunity to develop your existing character rather than just making a new one. But still, that's your decision. It isn't necessarily the 'end of the road' for Dray Perion unless you choose it to be, though it'd certainly be a major setback in his career, or even a change of 'path' for him.

And just to make it clear to Saber and others as well: it isn't so much the numbers that's an issue, so much as the idea that the 'swarm' would be able to turn back and do anything against the Covenant except get instantly and inevitably slaughtered. Running away or powering down and hiding are the only realistic options - no counterattack would be anything but futile, and it seems unlikely in the extreme that any of the escaping vessels were carrying anything capable of harming a Covenant warship at the time - you don't load up on SHIVAs and/or Long Lance torpedoes lightly.

[hollowsaber]

Seren, the only thing that bothered me wasn't who did it, it's just that I didn't think that someone could attack another player without actually asking first. I thought that was a legit rule. I defended that because I didn't think it was just an unspoken(or whatever the hell Abroad guy said) rule. It also annoyed me a bit when I heard Newblood wasn't told of this because of this. You guys could have at least said "We're gonna blow your ship up." just to give him a heads-up out of a matter of respect to him.

I didn't know you had personally told Abroad to attack the Fenix, and I wasn't going to step down until I heard it from you personally. What every one says is different until the actual person who said it confirms whatever he/she said. To me, the rest is just uber crap that I don't listen to.

the swarm itself isn't that big. I thought I just said a few pods and realistically, given the situation, a few Shortswords, Longswords, and pelicans would have been waiting on stand-by in case if something went wrong. That is what I posted by. In any situation, in peace or war time, every pilot is always ready to go at any moment in the air force, unless they are on leave. I know this by experience as my cousin is an Air Force Pilot on active duty right now.

Even though the US is technically 'safe', his plane is almost always ready to hit the runaway and take to the skies if something happens, with the exception being that he isn't actually at the airfield in or near the compound. If you say the swarm isn't that big it's your choice, the pods I could careless about, as whoever needed to be alive, is actually alive. The only thing that I tried to do was make it that a few LS, SS, and Pelicans survived, since they probably would have.

[abroad]

I'm a male, just to clear that up.

[hollowsaber]

Oh you are? Well that does clear some things up then.+

Edit; I was mostly talking about everyone in that statement, not just you.

[newblood]

Could i please ask where everyone is getting the idea about attacking the covenant with hardly anything? Cause from the past few messages your all talking about "How you cant assault a carrier with nearly nothing" Im just wondering where this idea came from cause i already knew this, the amount of battle-able vessels are very low in my little "Swarm" lol, i wouldn't send them to attack a covenant battle group even if we had a slight advantage.

[serenissima]

A Marathon-class cruiser isn't a carrier. Even with several fighters at readiness, it wouldn't be very easy to launch them that fast, as there aren't really the facilities to launch lots of strike craft (Longswords/Broadswords/Shortswords) simultaneously. They're mostly carried for defensive 'combat air patrol' purposes, rather than fleet battles, as there's just not enough of them on anything but a carrier to do much but escort transports down to planets and defend their mothership somewhat against enemy fighter attack if anything gets through the many point defences.

That's the reason I say there'd be few. A carrier would be able to launch a lot more in a short space of time, as that's what they're for, but launching fighters from a cruiser is more like operating a couple of helicopters from a real-life frigate or destroyer, rather than squadrons of aircraft all being able to take off at once like on a carrier. The Longswords and Shortswords would likely be at readiness, but not many at all would be able to get out before the ship was destroyed. If it were a carrier, then yes, I'd say that pretty good numbers would have gotten out, most likely.

Newblood was also warned in the OOC thread before that his actions (jumping in in the middle of the system openly) would lead to problems, and given the opportunity to change it - way back in the Post Mission thread, in terms of IC posts. He didn't, so I didn't really feel it was necessary to give a third warning that consequences would ensue. A later IC post also had to be outright deleted due to the even more immense problems it caused.

And you're right: players can't kill or "god-mod" against other players. For the people running the plot as NPCs or GMs, acting under direction for the overall story, then it's different - hence the seperation between player characters and NPCs, who are not played for 'personal fun', so to speak. It'd be unfair for any staff member to use a player character of theirs for that sort of purpose, due to the potential for selfish misuse.

[hollowsaber]

Oh I get it now... I thought NB's ship was a carrier... I didn't know that. I also didn't know that he was warned, I don't really read to much in the OOC thread unless I'm directed to it. If I knew those things then this discussion probably wouldn't have occurred.

Mah bad XD

[nex]

Erm, don't mean to push this, but it was actually a destroyer XD

Edit: Well, it was the last time I checked....Hmmm *Frown*...Maybe I was thinking of something else...

[hollowsaber]

...OH COME ON! I thought it was a carrier or something of that sort because of how many PCs were on it. The number of survivors that I put was because of that mistake. I never thought it was as small as a friggin' destroyer. I have one more word; WHOOPS!

Edit: I'LL KILL YOU!

[newblood]

Wait, i never checked the OOC i dont think, so i didnt know If i had known more than likely i would have reconsidered the action! I did speak with Useful on steam after what i had done, he didnt mention reverting my actions! Gosh dangit... I screwed up royally.

Edit: Oi, saber, calm down man, no reason to insult people, Now, My ship isn't a destroyer, it is a cruiser, now in the time that had happened, saber and his wing man got out, my two pelicans that were out of the ship at the moment are going back down with him in the RP to help evacuate, one carrying armaments for close-air support. and two LS and two SS ok, thats where were at, so everyone just calm down.

Oh and the heavy cruiser (Mine) is the most bad-A type of combat ship out there, not the most maneuverable but its got a good armament. UNSC wise, not mentioning covenant

[drawkward]

Awww, yeahhh.

Back in the mix, I be! At least, I'd like to be. The UNSC Down the Rabbit Hole is in the Navy's 78th squadron, in the third wave, for part two of the mission. I assume, because of the time, and the fact that the Covenant are already in the battlespace, so is the ship.

I wouldn't mind jumping back in, if it's not a problem. One thing: I'm trying to catch up on what's happened.

As far as I can tell, the UNSC forces were overwhelmed on Arcadia, though the Pious Charity was damaged enough to make a rough landing on the planet Lethe. The UNSC has therefore launched a fairly large scale attack against this ship to recover the data plans for UNSC trade routes and defense networks.

As far as I can tell, as of this point in time, the UNSC has engaged the Covenant fleet in battle over the planet, and the UNSC ground forces have pushed deep into the Covenant ship, and taken back the plan. The fleet has since launched a massive evacuation order for all forces on the planet to evacuate to the fleet so they can jump from the planet, and disengage the Covenant fleet.

Correct?

[hollowsaber]

I'd say you hit the nail right on the head.

[serenissima]

I've got a post coming shortly which includes an updated map, so the space situation will become a lot clearer. But you've got it pretty much right, bar the minor details of how it happened (i.e. UNSCS Fenix managing to bring down the whole Covenant fleet into the system).

You're welcome to jump in, and start writing your post, though just to avoid problems I'd ask that you wait for my post before posting!

[drawkward]

Sounds good! I eagerly await your post!

On a completely unrelated note of unrelated-ness, you misused "i.e.", when you meant to use "e.g.". Does it matter? No. Does anyone actually care? No (to be completely honest, I don't even really care one way or the other, it was just something I happened to notice and decided to pounce on). Am I being an elitist douche bag, not dissimilar to someone who murders pandas with a curling iron just for the irony? Yes.

"I.e." (Latin, "that is", or "that is to say") refers to a specific, solitary item, whereas "e.g.", refers to more than one thing. Where "i.e." is exclusive in and of itself (i.e., "i.e." refers to only a single relatable thing, assuming there is nothing outside of that could be added), "e.g." is not exclusive of items not mentioned.

So, if the only minor event was the Fenix's single solitary event, then yes, you used it properly. Otherwise, "e.g." is correct.

[hollowsaber]

Looks like school has started early...

[serenissima]

It's past six in the morning. I'm allowed to get things wrong sometimes at this bloody hour!

[drawkward]

Some of us can't afford school, so we're left to entertain ourselves as we may.

And don't worry about it, Seren. I don't think less of you as an Administrator, just as less of a person.

[serenissima]

Deus, quam bardus illa letalis es...

[drawkward]

[hollowsaber]

Well that isn't very nice.

[serenissima]

Apparently not!

[caster]

I just am not sure how to explain my characters suddenly falling back into things. I can explain it for Shri, but I'm not sure how well things will pan out as this all comes to a close.

[serenissima]

There's a few logic errors in your post, Nex (like the nature of what makes something harder to spot in space, and it doesn't involve using your engines or thrusters at all). Still, it's not important.

[nex]

Hmm? I would presume the more power used, the more the radiaton given out by the reactor/engines.

But, heh. I thought it was good.

At least it progressed the mission

(And a ground post as well? In the same night? Full of suprises, I am. )