Questions and Answers

[z]

I'm so fucking confused right now

[Wax™]

UGH! YOU HAVE TO READ HALO:FIRST STRIKE TO GET IT!

[jack]

What happened after the Battle of Installation 04:

Chief was mixed in among the wreckage in the Longsword he uses to escape the Pillar of Autumn. He finds a cryo pod containing SPARTAN-058, Linda, and links up with a Pelican dropship containing Sergeant Johnson, ODST Corporal Locklear, ONI Lieutenant Haverson, and pilot Warrant Officer Polaski. With the assistance of Cortana, they capture the Covenant ship Ascendant Justice, and jump to Reach. They find that the Covenant are in the process of excavating an object on the surface. They investigate and also rescue Vice Admiral Whitcomb, Doctor Halsey, and several SPARTANs. They recover the object while Cortana links the Ascendant Justice to the Gettysburg, a UNSC frigate. They commence OPERATION: First Strike, and destroy a Covenant rendezvous station. Whitcomb, Haverson, Locklear, Polaski, and several of the SPARTANs die en route to Earth.

[kuran]

So, why isn't there a Covenant ships list?

[hollowsaber]

Because the Ships aren't really important anymore. Go to the Halopedia.

[kuran]

Well would it be okay if some people started making entries for one? Trying to create a profile with a covenant ship has become somewhat awkward given that halopedia dosen't always have accurate numbers on weapons and the like.

[hollowsaber]

Our Covenant Gurus are busy with something else. If you guys want it badly, I'll see what I can do.

[kuran]

I understand that, I mean, making suggestions for ship entries in the appropriate forum, such as was done recently with UNSC ships. Beat's Cruiser, etc.

[hollowsaber]

You can't make up what's already there..

[tincanhitman]

What about covenant ranking vs elite and brute command? as a brute chieftain would i out rank a elite major?

[hollowsaber]

Elites, at this point, will always out-rank Brutes. That doesn't change until the Schism.

[Wax™]

Speaking of Elites and Brutes, are they both evenly matched becuase I always thought Brutes were much stronger, which they probably are.

[hollowsaber]

They are stronger, but more hard-headed and tunnel-visioned. Elites are agile, faster, smarter, and much more well trained in actually combat. A brute maybe bigger, but they are called Bruters for a reason. Elites are also called Elites for a reason.

To be truthful, one elite Ultra could take on a Brute Captain, two majors, and two minors at the same time and win..

[Wax™]

I so gotta make an Elite Ultra now instead of a Brute.

[hollowsaber]

Gotta prove you can lead a Creches or whatever..

[tincanhitman]

Dec 21, 2011 8:10:08 GMT -6 @hollowsaber said:

To be truthful, one elite Ultra could take on a Brute Captain, two majors, and two minors at the same time and win..

woah, that's a bit of an exaggeration, the fact alone that brutes are bigger and are trained to be guards and shock troopers shows that they are capable of tactics.

I think an ultra may be able to take a captain and have the advantage tactically and agility wise. But with two majors there is no contest, if its hand to hand they would slaughter the ultra, if it was a mid range to close rang fight the brutes would maybe lose one to two but would win. I think you forget how strong and how much damage they can soak up.

Also brutes aren't usually as smart as elites but they don't make stupid honor bound decisions.

This is all observation and study of what i have seen and read of brutes. The schism itself shows how the brutes almost won against the elites, had they not fled and joined the human side.

I say this all respectively of course.

[Dufflepud]

Yes, but martial prowess makes a huge difference. It's like pitting an asian martial arts master against a few american body builders.

[kartoffelfogel]

Dec 21, 2011 15:13:56 GMT -6 Dufflepud said:

Yes, but martial prowess makes a huge difference. It's like pitting an asian martial arts master against a few american body builders.

This always results in pure awesomeness, usually with the asian dude winning.

Wait, what happens if you cross a martial arts master with a body builder?



That's what.

[tincanhitman]

Yes i understand that but what about three body building ex-marines? that's what he was basically saying. Brutes are still military trained their culture is warfare, its more like mongols vs samurai than any thing else.

[Dufflepud]

No, not at all. It's really more like zulu vs a samurai.

[kartoffelfogel]

And a samurai will still win. Plus the samurai is socially a big step up over his peers than either a Mongol Keshik or a Zulu Ibutho is over his peers.

[Dufflepud]

Let me put it this way: Jiralhanae are soldiers, Sangheili are warriors.

[Deleted]

Comparing the weaponry alone shows the tactical difference. Elites have shields, swords, plasma rifles, and fuel rod and that's about it. Brute's have the spiker, hammer, and the launcher.

The spiker and the plasma rifle are pretty even. The spiker would be more harmful but has crap aim. The plasma rifle is faster and slightly more accurate, but needs an oppertunity for damage to build. If we look at the others, we see a larger disadvantage for both sides.

The hammer is a massive heavy hitter, it's not a matter of will it hit you, it's a matter of, if it hits anywhere near you your screwwed. And the Sword is agile enough that dogding it becomes near impossible. But both of them have a problem. A sword's range is limited to sword length. And a hammer is slow to swing. Both show disadvantages that could play to eithers advantage in a real fight. Say the burte swung and the elite dogded, that elite has about 10 seconds to slash that brute apart before that hammer comes back up. And an elite needs to get within range of the brute who has a hammer that hits the area around it by about a meter.

Lastly we see the launcher and fuel rod. The launcher is faster, and has a melee blade attached. It could kill anything in 2-3, that's saying if the first one didn't hit the head of the target. And the fuel rod kills anything it hits in one if it isn't heavily armored. Problem is, the fuel rod is slow on the move while the brute launcher is faster, though not by much. So really it comes down to this.

Elite's have shields to protect them and are trained in the way of battle from youth. They thrive on tactics and smart fighting. Unfortunately they have an honor code which handicaps them to hell. Brutes are raised to be savage and live savage, to say they are little more than wised up gorillas with weapons is not far from the truth. But they can do plenty without a weapon and just thier strength. Unfortunately, their lack of intelligence and overall cockyness is more than enough of a handicap. Both sides have thier weaknesses and strengths.

[Dufflepud]

Sangheili the honor code doesn't handicap them at all in a battle. As for the weapon comparisons, elites also have needle rifles, needlers, plasma launchers, plasma repeaters (these do far more damage than a spiker), and focus rifles. As for th gravity hammer, it works great against crowds of unarmored infantry, such as grunts, jackals, marines, but a sangheili swordsman could easily take down a brtue armed with a hammer. They've been perfecting melee combat for thousands of years. Brutes have not.

Sangheili are smarter, more agile, better armed, better armored, and better trained. Also, there is nothing that indicates in halo cannon the Jiralhanae are physicaly stronger. Sangheili are immensly strong.

[Deleted]

If you read Halo first strike you would have read the part where 117 compared an elite's muscles to an iron band, and say that a brute's were like solid steel.

[jack]

Aye, the book does state that a Jiralhanae is stronger.. Also, I can back this up scientifically:

As stated here: halo.wikia.com/wiki/Sanghelios, Sanghelios has a gravity of 1.375 Gs.
As stated here: halo.wikia.com/wiki/Jiralhanae#Anatomy_and_Physiology, Doisac has a gravity of roughly 2 Gs. Jiralhanae would HAVE to be physically stronger than Sangheili, coming from 1.375 Gs, or Humans, coming from 1 G.

The reason that the Jiralhanae would have to be stronger is quite simple: so that they would be able to move and live in the environment.

[Dufflepud]

That's a good point, but still, this is the only brute advantage.

[tincanhitman]

i understand a high ranking sangheili would beat a brute of equal rank, i just don't feel that sabers previous statement is true.

[Dufflepud]

It's not. Ultras have swords. If the ultra was exhibiting true Sangheili swordsmanship (not possible in the games themselves) the Jiralhanae would be difficult, but they would still lose seven times out of ten.

[tincanhitman]

Again I just can't agree with that, of all we have seen games and books alike. But of course i am not staff so i will submit.