M6 Clarification

[Dufflepud]

Hey guys, use this to discuss all OOC things related to M6. Also, I've compiled a list of what tech does and doesn't work.

Not functional:
-Energy weapons
-Powered armor
-HUD
-Weapon displays (ammo counters, smart-linked scopes, etc.)
-Covenant vehicles
-UNSC vehicle batteries

Semi functional:
-Needler (tracking is disabled)

Functional:
-Ballistic weaponry (Kig-Yar, Jiralhanae and some human weapons)
-Combustion engines (NOTE: since batteries don't work, vehicles will still be non functional)

If you guys think of anything I've missed or need clarification, I will happily edit this list.

Clarification: The artifact is about the size of a small car (and several times the weight) and still half buried, so don't expect to be carrying it. 

Clarification: The artifact was deep underground, which is why it took hours of mining to uncover, and was never discovered by the inhabitants of the world. You won't be able to access it via any underground tunnels, let alone the sewers.

[Deleted]

So where does this put the Carbine and Needle Rifle? Carbine shoots radioactive rounds so I dunno if it is run electronically and I dont have any clue at all on the needle rifle other than the needler is still semi-functional.

Thanks ahead of time.

[BetaWülf]

*Looks around, looks at brutes and elites*

Half the size of a small car wouldn't be very hard to carry off for a few brutes or elites, and brutes could probably dig it out pretty fast, just saying

[deceit]

Not to mention it is a holy artifact. You don't just carelessly pick up and carry around a holy artifact with nowhere to take it.

[iamsteelius]

This may be a dumb question due to the name, but would the energy cutlass be still useful? Yes, it says energy, but it functions in similar ways as the Needle Rifle or Needler.

[Spartan 999]

It's not really an "energy" weapon like the energy sword. So probably, yes.

[Spartan 999]

Track, energy cutlasses are essentially single, souped up needler needles. Despite the name, no actual relation to the energy sword. So if needlers and needle rifles work, then they would too.

[Dufflepud]

Jan 2, 2014 0:48:06 GMT -6 BetaWülf said:

*Looks around, looks at brutes and elites*

Half the size of a small car wouldn't be very hard to carry off for a few brutes or elites, and brutes could probably dig it out pretty fast, just saying

It's the full size of a small car (what I said is that half of it is still covered in dirt/rubble) and size doesn't equal mass xP. It would probably weigh several times more since it's not hollow.

Also, they work, but their tracking abilities are disabled.

[BetaWülf]

I was just saying that it was plausible for them to carry it out, and picking it up is not harming it in any way, and I doubt any Covies who was tasked with carrying it would be careless about it. I wasn't trying to stir shit which apparently is how everyone took it, sorry

[Martial Virtue]

Hey guys, just as an FYI, there should be no human prisoners in the RP. I know it sounds like a fun idea, but canonically it doesn't work, so please steer clear of that as a subplot for your characters. Your post will be edited or deleted. Thanks.

[Faclan]

Not to be confrontational just for the sake of it and not trying to start an argument or a fight...just giving my two cents D:

Mk, both the UNSC and the Covenant have general 'policies' that Prisoners are a no no; Covies because why would they need the unclean heathens when they have been told by the Gods to slay them all - and Humans because they normally cant speak the same language so would have nothing to gain and it could be a massive security risk if the said prisoner had some way to be tracked.


However; Despite both these 'policies' we know they both do it anyway. Covies may do it for some 'fun' hunting them down later for sport as Sangheili, torturing then later then eating them as Jiralahane, or just eating them in general as a Kig-Yar. Whereas the Humans take the covenant prisoners to use them as forced labor - building fortifications and graves before they are likely executed, or if they have the means to at least have some semblance of a Language Bridge, find out information(Such as the Sangheili Spec Ops discussed about in Halo: The Flood)
In the case of Col. James Ackerson the Covenant knew he was a high ranked UNSC figure and intended to get information from him regarding Earth and key locations to attack, but Ackerson mislead them to waste resources and lives before being beheaded. On the Covenant side we have Yapyap from Halo: The Flood who was used by his Sangheili commander, Zuka 'Zamamee, to discover the location of a human base, where Master Chief was, then assault it.

With the generals done let's look at the thread. Right now the Covenant are on the backfoot and need to be careful lest they be completely surrounded by ships and troops as they have little in the way of defense and weaponry or even communication. I don't think it would be too far removed for them to try and get Humans that appear important to find out where they are generally stationed, when they might attack, or how many numbers they have.

For the Humans I have to concede that there is little to no reason at all why they would take Prisoners; they have the advantage, know where the Artifact is in general and therefore know where the Covies are, and want to wipe the Covenant presence off this planet, so that's understandable.

But back to the Covenant and a problem that may arise soon as the Humans start to get more organized and push forward toward the Artifact; Some Covenant files and squads; Cads, Goodys Sniper Team, and some of the forces taking cover in busted buildings from the humans outside - are now effectively trapped behind enemy lines. They have a low chance of being able to fight through the Human lines with limited weaponry and soldiers, some teams having already lost numbers. If things got worse for them I would think they would have little choice then to either try and run past all the killing zones or try to get some kind of thing the humans would want that could save their lives - for example a hostage.

Just my thoughts, sorry if it sounded like a rant  Also not trying to give everyone a reason to just go run off and get captured, just listening when it has happened and possible reasons why it may happen.

References;
Halo: The Flood
halo.wikia.com/wiki/Prisoner_of_War
www.halopedia.org/List_of_inconsistencies_in_the_Halo_series (Halo: Evolutions - Essential Tales of the Halo Universe Section)

[Martial Virtue]

Yeah I always use The Flood as an argument when anyone ever says Covies don't capture prisoners, but usually I'm told those were special circumstances. Eh.

[Faclan]

Keys was yes, but I would count this as a special circumstance because the Covies are cut off from the fleet, especially the ones stuck out near the Human zones or pinned down by Humans.

Just if people do want their charries to get nabbed by the other team they need to accept, like I did with Bep, that they will likely die - and that it shouldn't happen very often (Hence special circumstances like you said). In my opinion at least.

[Martial Virtue]

It wasn't just Keyes who got taken in the book. There was some pilot dude who worked with the Covies too if I remember right, but yeah like you said, the pilot was killed afterward.

Oh, and on the flipside, ONI's Kilo-Five team from the most recent Halo novels, Glasslands and The Thursday War, also captured an Elite.

I think these are stories we naturally gravitate towards because they're very dramatic and put our characters in great personal peril. It's a good chance for some serious character development and a good way to morph their personalities and change their perceptions on things. Plus trying to escape is usually pretty badass.

[Faclan]

Yeah the pilot that took the Sangheili strike team to where the grunt was held, he strangled by the Sangheili leader after he was all; lol tanks dude

And yep, they captured Jul 'Mdama if I remember correctly, who would later be the Covenant remnant leader in Halo 4.

Yep, though with Bep it just developed that way, there were several times he could have ran, but I just decided to roll with it to give the humans a chance to interact with him some more. It seemed to affect Cabel, Marks character, the most and led to some other good interaction even if Bep ended up with a bullet in the back of his head I still enjoyed the hell out of it.

But does this mean its an option again in M6 as long as people understand the risks? Just asking in general as Cad doesn't need to do that yet, sorry if its still a staff no no.

[Martial Virtue]

For now it's a staff no-no, but there's other ways something similar could be implemented. I'd love to have Jackson get taken prisoner. I'm mean that way. xD

[Faclan]

Alright, that's fine, just wanted to clear up the 'doesn't happen in canon' thingy, cause I'm a nerd like that.

And I am as well, hence why Bep got nabbed before and Cad nearly broke his legs in this mission so far and will likely loose half his file now :3.

[deceit]

Sorry guys, that I kind of dropped off on my posts there. I know it doesn't (yet) affect anyone outright and blah blah blah but I will get Ra'ab back into the fray before the end of this mission. Anyone up to group up with Ra'ab for a portion of the mission once he's back in the swing of it?

( My work-life[music] got freaking crazy hectic this last week, so that's been hindering me. )

[Deleted]

So, I guess this means that Elites and some other characters have to get lucky to not get slaughtered.
I'm not trying to start an argument, and I know the point is to give the UNSC an advantage in this Mission, but how else would Elites win if all they can do is sit and hide?

Or Is it like Red Dawn where they do sneak attacks and steal their weapons, (but I doubt that would be logical, due to various books where Covenant factions die with Assault rifles next to them, when they ran out of ammo, or they were disarmed.)

[Deleted]

Jan 12, 2014 8:01:30 GMT -6 @tracker said:

How do humanity win when they are technologically inferior and outnumbered? The Elites and the covenant will have to adapt. The goal of this mission is to make challenges and shake things up, now it's the covvies turn to be tech inferior.

Thanks for the clear up!

[deceit]

Wait
wait,
so in M6 it was posted that the Brutes and Elite leadership split apart and the brutes seized control. But there's no post of it yet, so has it "already happened" or is it yet to happen?

[Frazer]

Mission 6 Space thread is now live. All Captains from the UNSCS and Covenant fleets post now.

[RiddL]

Im guessing that all ground communications are GONE then?

[RiddL]

well.... bugger....